In episode 144 of November Foxtrot, they talk with Defiant Events about milsim and skirmishing... "This episode we are joined by the Gentlemen from Defiant to chat about their latest event - Operation Irene (if you're not sure where you might have heard that before - watch Black Hawk Down). They will also be chatting about their upcoming event and discussing with us the subject of how or if we should - bridge the gap between airsoft MilSim and Skirmishing."